I am struggling with this myself. With Gramercy. Last night a member of the FB group posted a picture of Mr. Andre here, who has, on his 12th birthday, started experimenting. With Ivy clothes. As I understand it there was a journey through sweatpants here. But now we have arrived home. I cannot say the same thing. Getting your kids to do what you want falls into three categories. (1) stuff they absolutely must do because you are their parents, (2) stuff you would like them to do but respect or personal freedom fences in your scope and (3) stuff you have no right to ask them to do. Time is probably the answer. Anyway, if there are tips on how to steer your children Ivy, let me know. Other than setting an example. And Happy Birthday Andre, you look very handsome, and if you continue to comport yourself this way it will serve you well. Bravo.
I have the personal and educational pleasure of chatting Ivy with Evan Everhart quite a bit. Reprinted with his permission here is his conversational review of the Sid Mashburn OCBD he bought:
The shirt feels as good as my deadstock brooks one that’s unopened! Its collar is a bit wider spread and not quite as steeply pointed at the tips, but the collar roll is gorgeous as worn, just not as spearpointed when unbuttoned. It does however sit very handsomely as worn unbuttoned and over the collar of my crewneck saddle shouldered Shetland sweaters (Ive tried it with several of them for surety of consistency of fit), and it always looks handsome, regardless of how heavy a gauge or ply the wool of the respective sweaters. The starching is nice, and not excessive… It is a light boiled starch such as should wash out within one to two normal washes, the cotton fibres feel at first wear to be firm, but not stiff or cardboard-like, as some other Makers’ OCBDs, in my experience are, or rather, can be, up to a high wash count….but that, is for another review….
Back to the review; I would say that the collar is similar to the vtg Brooks spread collared OCBD, which was essentially an Ainsley collar as an OCBD, there is a gauntlet button on the sleeves of the shirt, unlike a Brooks OCBD which has the button down toward the bottom edge of the cuff, the cuff button of the Mashburn OCBD, is distinctly centered on the cuff. The quality of the cut and fabric is excellent, the collar rolls well, particularly if you wear Mashburn or vtg or newer Drakes ties, which are minimally lined. There is a central box pleat, of course. It is a must iron shirt, and of course develops wrinkles as worn, which hang out if allowed to, quite quickly. Its a Lovely Oxford cloth, the tails of the shirt are quite long, as they ought to be, anyway, but this will be particularly useful for those who persist in wearing trousers which do not rise properly, such as those sold by Mashburn & Co. The final charming detail which Ill cite here, is the horizontal buttonhole at the bottom of the button placket of the shirt. The shirt does have a breast pocket. For those who don’t like breast pockets, its probably not an issue for you anyway, as I doubt you’ll be buying alpha sized garments anyway, for those who appreciate this sort of mid range shirt but in gorgeous fabrics and rare colors… These fit the bill and you can store yr cigarettes or comb or pen in yr breast pocket, as I do. I hope you’ll enjoy one too!
Now, back to the most Excellent Sid Mashburn OCBD, so much for it, if PRL Alpha sizing fits you consistently, this will too, its a bit trimmer than a PRL classic fit, but not excessively so. I wear between a 15.5 and 16 in the neck, usually, and a 33 or 34 in the sleeve, usually, depending on the maker and my body’s volume at any given moment. So much for that, in these Sid Mashburn OCBDs, I wear a “M”, just as in the PRL alpha sized sporty dress shirts with which we are all, I am sure, well familiar.
Actually as the Mashburn OCBD has both a semi spread Ainsley style similar to the Clifford and a collar Roll, it is indeed a different creature all together! And as a final note, at $125., and with alpha sizing, the shirts while not necessarily for everyone, are very nice in that the Oxford cloth is beefy and soft and primarily for me, it is offered in as close to an authentic Brooks green as I’ve seen on a non Brooks shirt, in some years.