During the press conference for “Ivy Style” at the MFIT, Andrew Yamato took video while on assignment for A Suitable Wardrobe. Included in the video above are remarks by Patricia Mears, Richard Press, G. Bruce Boyer and Christian Chensvold.
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Thanks from all of us unable to make the party. Well done.
Great piece!
Agreed with MAC, thank you for covering this event so well. Is there any chance that the exhibit could hit the road in the future?
Is Will over at ASW an Ivy guy? I enjoy his posts but have noticed an “Ivy” slant to his fashion. I would have thought some hints would have been hidden in there…maybe there were and I was simply too daft to have seen them.
One thing that’s neat about this topic is that there are still plenty of old dudes to interview – they’re not all dead yet. Just roll on down to reunions.
Should read: “have never noticed” an Ivy slant to his fashion.
Glad “Milestones” was used in the video and not just some generic jazz background music.
Priceless reactions from the pain-pill poppers at FNB:
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?pid=233954#p233954
terrific – bravo.
Do you have a Boston accent? Aren’t you from California?
Christian
You did great, but to F with folks you should re-dub it with a WFB or George Plimpton inpersonation.
@Darty
I am from California, but I picked up my accent hanging out with Charlie Davidson.
Everyone from Beantown will tell you I sound just like Jack Kennedy.
Comment by Christian — September 26, 2012 @ 3:08 pm
Priceless reactions from the pain-pill poppers at FNB:
http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?pid=233954#p233954
I’d have thought ‘worthless’ the more apposite epithet. But I do feel we should pity this snotty-nosed bundle of ragamuffins. Doesn’t one feel compassion for them as they try to ape civilized society? Sadly, try as they may they’ll never be anything other than monkeys in suits bought on the weekly..
Christian,
Re: “they’ll never be anything other than monkeys in suits…”
As the old proverb puts it:
An ape’s an ape, a varlet’s a varlet,
Though they be clad in silk or scarlet.
When Mr Press said:
“…back in 1959, you always wore a coat and a tie. On weekends, you wore a tweed jacket or a blazer and a tie, and during the week, in class, you had to wear a suit”,
he was talking about students, not professors!
Those were the days!
well done.
I tried to compose a response worthy of the video, and the more verbose it got, the less it said.
in this case less is more.
well done.
If we choose to dress like Eastern seaboard aristocrats, choosing to speak like them makes perfectly good sense.
Christian,
“Milieu”, “genre”, “zeitgeist”…
What a nice change from the flipflop, hiphop language we hear every day.
Comment by L.A. Trad — September 26, 2012 @ 8:23 pm
If we choose to dress like Eastern seaboard aristocrats, choosing to speak like them makes perfectly good sense.
I agree. Also, accents like clothing are reflective of status and aspiration towards status. As a bonus, the old prestige accents were and still are actually comprehensible too. But to understand that one at least has to have the urge not to be proud of being a guttersnipe, (or even a cockney rebel), as glamorous as that might appear to the unwashed and uneducated.
Even though I won’t get to make a visit to the event, I’m very glad something of this kind is being held, and also thanks very much for the coverage and this video; it was succinct.
Through the magic of the internet, one can hear actual recordings of the voices of King George V, King Edward VIII (later The Duke Of Windsor), and King George VI. Anyone who wishes to comment about “accents” might want to listen to their “accents”.
Some of the posts at FNB are enough to make one ashamed that some of their ancestors might have come from the UK. It’s almost like what Malcolm Muggeridge said in the Carnaby Street-Mod/Rocker era, “The British have stopped being Romans and have started to become Italians”.
Comment by Roy R. Platt — September 27, 2012 @ 11:37 pm
“Some of the posts at FNB are enough to make one ashamed that some of their ancestors might have come from the UK.”
It’s pretty clear to me that a raw nerve has been struck with all this ‘debate’ about accents.
For the British of course an accent really is a mark of class and it would appear that many of the posters are simply ashamed of the way they speak. Maybe.
I think that could well be true also of their ‘gang boss’ who sources inform me has an effete ‘put on’ public school accent picked up during the early days when he received his grooming from older men.
Who knows?
Maybe.
@Sloan Square
“For the British of course an accent really is a mark of class”
We Americans continue to pretend that this is not the case in the States.
Comment by Philly Trad — September 28, 2012 @ 7:50 pm
@Sloan Square
“For the British of course an accent really is a mark of class”
We Americans continue to pretend that this is not the case in the States.
True.
However, it’s even more so across the pond.
At least the hangup on accent demonstrated by the disturbed conglomerate of riffraff suggests that this is the case.
That they are hung up on class, too is evident in how they wish to strip Ivy of its privileged origins, and ironically also in their ring leader’s fake educational credentials. – which of course fools nobody except the fools he manipulates.
I’m afraid he actually seems very representative of the uncouth, ill-educated product that the English public (private) schools produce these days. Witness their Prime Minister’s lack of a grasp of his own history.
Comment by Mark Miwords — September 29, 2012 @ 2:13 am
I’m afraid he actually seems very representative of the uncouth, ill-educated product that the English public (private) schools produce these days.
I tend to go for the ‘groomed’ by older men theory.
Not knowing, I cannot posibly dispute your theory. I would however remind you of the favourite English game of Charades and would suggest that to engage with him as a fake is just as great a folly as to engage with him as being real. Perfidious Albion?
@ Sloan Square & Mark Miwords
I believe the theory of the knave’s origins in abuse at the hands of well-dressed (after a fashion, so to speak) but depraved jackals, is a generally believed and probably true one.
Mark Miwords is certainly right in cautioning against engaging the douche bag. To do so would be to waste time that not even the Lupin Pooters amongst us have in abundance in these vile times.
In support of Sloane Square, I can only agree with his former verdict of wholesale online manipulation.
In support of Chelsea Drug Store, I will say that there’s many a true word spoken in “jest”, but who is to know? Falsehood rarely has any half measures. If “Russell Street” has said it, then I for one do not believe it. Period.
@ Mark Miwords
The only people that this psychologically deformed urchin manipulates are his (increasingly) small band of societal rejects. As for disbelief, other than the above, Russell Street fools no-one bar himself.
I still think that talking about “him” within the terms of reality could be a mistake, but let this topic lie now. Turning off the computer is good for us all!
Comment by Mark Miwords — September 29, 2012 @ 6:40 am
“I still think that talking about “him” within the terms of reality could be a mistake,”
Oh no. It’s clearly a ‘him’. But one so malformed that even ‘he’ doubts his very existence. Perhaps as a consequence of his traumatisation, he has the unconscious need to obliterate himself.
I am still uncomfortable that all the information about him comes from nobody but him, abeit under different guises. Yet more manipulation?
Why is one thing a lie and another judged not to be from the mouth of this liar?
Also,why is all the information he gives us about himself relentlessly negative?
I can fully understand disliking him, but I would suggest that to dislike him based on the autobiography he offers is to play his game. He gives you reasons to dislike him that he can then slander you for as being prejudiced.
You are far more trusting than I.
@ Mark Miwords
I really don’t know why you keep on insisting that this failure is some kind of a master manipulator. You seem to show admiration for him.
Once again, he manipulates a few badly dressed starlings who know no better. Anything other than that exists solely in his imagination.
As for where my information comes from: Well, let’s just say I am acquainted with someone who ‘knew’ him very well, inside and out, so to speak. (Some of these ‘chaps’ are notoriously indiscreet, don’t you know!)
Well, unlike all of you, I have met both Russell Street and Chens in person. You all talking rubbish really…………
Comment by woofboxer — September 29, 2012 @ 9:19 am
‘Well, unlike all of you, I have met both Russell Street and Chens in person. You all talking rubbish really…………’
Your attempt to be fair is commendable. Rarely if ever have I read an unmeasured post by you on this site and certainly you are generally the lone voice of urbanity among that cacophony of broken finger nails and halitosis.
However, surely a person of your sensibility must know that you are but a pawn to that sad, badly used soul, Russell Street.
Pity Russell Street certainly, but you do yourself no favours by encouraging him. Nor do you actually help him if the truth be told. Real friends would have staged an intervention years ago.
@Chelsea Drug Store
Your post is contradictory sir; you start by saying I am my own man, then go on to label me as a mere prawn of the evil puppet master Russell Street.
However, it is amazing that you can tell if people have halitosis from their internet posts.
I can assure you that Russell Street needs no encouragement, he is into ivy clothing for the long haul and his knowledge of the subject is vast.
Quote: “it is amazing that you can tell if people have halitosis from their internet posts.”
Well you certainly got a laugh out of me with that one!
It’s great to know that there are Americans who appreciate irony!
And it’s great to know there are Englishmen whose souls aren’t ravaged by bitterness and resentment!
I think regional and class accents are starting to disappear. My aunt sounds like she grew up on a plantation, yet her sons have that generic highly educated one that could be from anywhere.
Christian: You must have spent a lot of time with Charlie Davidson to pick up the same accent, more time than you would spend around people without it. Curious…
Comment by woofboxer — September 29, 2012 @ 12:08 pm
@Chelsea Drug Store
“Your post is contradictory sir; you start by saying I am my own man, then go on to label me as a mere prawn of the evil puppet master Russell Street.
However, it is amazing that you can tell if people have halitosis from their internet posts.
I can assure you that Russell Street needs no encouragement, he is into ivy clothing for the long haul and his knowledge of the subject is vast.”
Your good nature, alas, does not endow you with a sense of imagination. No bad breath from that sewer of gingivitis? You surely jest.
Nobody doubts Russell’s knowledge of Ivy. He knows a thing or two certainly. However, he has the propensity of wrapping it all up so grubbily and attracting on the whole such little grub-worms (who else would crawl there after all?) that he cannot be a good advocate for the style.
But allow my own imagination to play a little: Brighton Rock revived (Yes I know it was done only recently but indulge me this once.
Russell Street as Pinky.
Christian Chensfold as Fred.
Woofboxer as Ida.
The grub-worms as the gang.
Oliver as Jovan. (To sell a few tickets to the Andy lot and because he’s a natural)
@ Chelsea.
No admiration, I promise you. Ony a nagging disquite that Pro and Anti “Russell” are just two sides of the same coin. A bent farthing perhaps?
To quote Victor Meldrew: “I don’t believe it!”
Do you?